¿35bb o 40bb?

Últimamente me ronda mucho esta pregunta. ¿Es mejor entrar con 35bb o con 40bb? En salas donde puedes elegir el dilema está servido, y la verdad es que tengo motivos de peso para entrar con los dos, y los que me harían decantarme por uno u otro no los puedo medir con facilidad. Intentaré exponer mis dudas por si a alguien le sirve:

Algunos pensaréis: "Bueno, si tenéis una estrategia que se llama EP35 será por algo,no?" Sí xD Estáis en lo cierto, y es que las 35bb ayudan mucho a una de las decisiones más difíciles como es el 4bet, o el umbral de compromiso postflop. Sin embargo tiene algunas pequeñas taras como es el tamaño de 3bet, que en la EP35 se soluciona haciéndolo a 8bb que más o menos va a ser entre 1/4 y 1/5 de nuestro stack. Esto genera una serie de situaciones relativamente sencillas a la hora de aprender a jugar, y por eso recomendamos eso en la estrategia.

Sin embargo, mi dilema viene respecto a multistack, y por lo tanto por la variación del tamaño de 3bet. Una vez tu juego evoluciona y te enfrentas a mejores rivales, dejar tu 3bet expuesto a que un rival con dos dedos de frente te lo explote, no parece una buena idea. Me intentaré explicar de una forma más esquemática...

35bb

PRO:

-Tiene un tamaño perfecto para 4betear. Su mayor pro, sin duda alguna, y de donde creo que sacamos más valor de nuestros rivales. Que abras a 2,5, te hagan un 3bet a 7 u 8bb y luego abandonen a tu 4bet es algo taaaan dulce que engorda solo de pensarlo xD
Básicamente, lo que ocurre es que los rivales no se suelen adaptar al mayor problema que tiene este tamaño de stack y es el tamaño de 3bet, por lo tanto lo hacen random, y siguen teniendo un fold al 4bet exagerado, de lo que extraes mucha ventaja.

-Umbral de compromiso y número de apuestas cómodos. El postflop de las 35bb también tiene encanto, ya que tenemos 3 apuestas casi exactas. Es decir, por ejemplo podemos apostar el flop, y si nos suben podemos pushear con FE y sin que sea un overbet. O los X-R en el turn. Esto también es bastante cómodo para jugar semi-bluffs, etc...O también tenemos 3 barrels que encajan muy bien con un OR normal.

CONTRA:

-Tamaño de 3bet incómodo. No siempre, pero sí en una situación muy frecuente que es cuando te abren a 3bb. Si queremos entrar en nuestra franja de comodidad de 1/6 nuestro 3bet debería ser a 6bb, pero esto es un minraise y nos quedamos sin FE. Si lo hacemos a 7bb que sería el primer tamaño en el que empezamos a tener algo de FE es 1/5 y nos quedamos con un postflop algo incómodo con 2 apuestas medias. Y a 8bb ya es casi a 1/4 y nos exponemos a un rival que haga bastante 4bet.
Si bien es cierto que no hay muchos rivales que 4beteen bien, jugar 35bb con el sizing de 1/4 no me parece mala idea, pero estando en un entorno donde a varios de tus regulares se les vaya la pelota, la cosa empieza a complicarse.

-Tamaño de ROL incómodo. El ROL también genera un tamaño algo incómodo para hacer 3 barrels contra fishes, por ejemplo. Ya que hemos hinchado mucho el bote preflop y no nos quedan apuestas para hacer después. Esto se puede solucionar haciendo el clásico 1/2+1/2, pero no siempre se puede hacer, y el ROL a 4bb, que es el que mejor te deja las cosas, creo que no castiga lo suficiente a los fishes.

40bb

PRO:

-Tamaño de 3bet "cremita de atún". Aquí nos vamos a sentir en la gloria xD Podemos hacer el 3bet a 7bb que ya tiene FE y estaremos en la franja de comodidad, y si algún rival 4betea poco podemos usar el de 8bb o incluso 9bb maximizando así nuestro FE.

-Tamaño de ROL óptimo. Con 40bb exactas quizá no, pero con 42-44 ya tienes un tamaño casi perfecto, en el que puedes hacer un ROL a 5bb y hacer 3 barrels si quieres.

CONTRA:

-Postflop incómodo. A ver, no es que sea incómodo xD Si no que es "menos cómodo" que con 35bb. El motivo es que en cuanto empiezas a tener 42-44bb los X-R del turn ya son algo más grandecitos, los 3 barrels ya no te quedan tan clavados...vaya, pequeñas taras que hay que subsanar debido a que ya casi tenemos 4 apuestas.

-Tamaño de 4bet incómodo. Debido a que el bet estándar suele ser a 7bb, nos deja que el push con 40bb se aproxima al 1/6 que tan poco queremos ver cuando lo hacen los rivales. Y no lo hacen a propósito xD Pero les sale bien sin querer. De este modo tenemos que recurrir mucho más al delayed, lo cual sin dejar de ser rentable, si que es un poco más engorroso.

-Menos margen para grinders. Esto ya es algo muy secundario, pero para la gente que tiene que grindar mucho por algún motivo, entrar con 40bb y salirse con unas 65bb le deja con menos margen de ganancias para aprovechar una mesa, lo que se traduce en unas cuantas manos menos a final de mes. No es algo dramático, pero también está ahí :P

Y bueno, como veréis, no expongo ninguna respuesta al problema xD Sí, soy así de cabrón,jeje. Sólo os doy más problemas. Pero creo que el hecho de poder tener los pros y contras de cada franja y que cada uno pueda ponderarlos por si mismo es más valioso que que yo os diga "esto y punto".

En fin, no se si este tocho servirá a alguien. No espero las mismas visitas que cuando puse la foto de la chica desnuda, pero hombre...entiendo que no tiene el mismo interés :P

PD: Empiezo a entender a Pacocho...xD

Un saludo!

Darkored.

87 comentarios:

  1. JUAN ANTONIO dijo...

    Con lo facil que es hablar de cualquier tema y terminar con la foto de una warrilla....
    Muy buen articulo como siempre. Creo que en PT me molas mas xD

  2. tasman dijo...

    Genial artículo, veo que no soy el único que tiene estos problemas y por otro lado me mola que poco a poco voy entendiendo la profundidad de las estrategias... Aunque luego siga siendo un fish. De todas formas, no creo que sea un problema muy grande la decisión... No sé, quizá lo fácil sea entrar con 35 si te dejan y dejar que tu stack vaya subiendo XD

  3. juanfran dijo...

    Dios 5 putas ciegas son un mundo copon

  4. p.pereirax dijo...

    Gracias Álvaro Aspas Tarrazón... Era la explicación que necesitaba.
    Pero podías darme la solución...LOL

  5. Larivor dijo...

    El squeeze con 30-35bbs es cachondisimo también. Personalmente prefiero las 40.
    Por cierto, muy buenos articulos, éste y el anterior. Congrats.

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  7. Luisete dijo...

    Esta duda te la resuelvo yo en 5 segundos.

    ¿En PokerStars puedes jugar con 35bbs? ¿No?

    =D

  8. WHITEHAUNTER dijo...

    Gran artículo
    PD:Es una alegría que vuelvas a darle caña al blog con entradas así :D
    Saludos

  9. _Disko_ dijo...

    Buen artículo, me viene bien ahora que estoy empezando a estudiar estas estrategias.

  10. Larivor dijo...

    Sólo es cuestión de no recomprar y jugarás hasta con 5bbs si quieres

  11. Dits Bruts dijo...

    Buen artículo. Y como dice Larivor, el sqz en EP35 es la canya.

    Te felicito porque eres el primero que veo que reconoce que el ROL a 4bb no funciona en EP35. Y es normal que no funcione: si alguien limpea, entonces es un pez, luego ahí lo rentable es hacer el animal, no el juego estándar. Por ese mismo motivo es tan rentable el ROL a 1/2 stack en EP20 y en EP35 vs 2 limpers.

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